Crazy Governess or Corrupt Kids?
What do you think?
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posted by erdecker @ 12:28 PM
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Tuesday, March 07, 2006
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11 Comments:
the governess is crazy.
Mrs. Grose agrees.
She showed her surprise. "A friend - you?" (you is in italics even, come on!) - pg. 70
"Lord, you do change!" cried my friend. - pg 57
"And what on earth -?" I felt her incredulity as she held me. - pg 36
obviously Mrs. Grose thinks she's at least a little off balance. it's difficult to find immense support for this stance, considering the fact that the governess wrote it and she's obviously not going to make herself look insane. anyway, that's solely support coming from Mrs. Grose, not even any of the other characters in the book. cut the kids some slack, guys. that's what i say.
The kids are corrupt.
During the whole book, neither Miles nor Flora mentions Peter Quint--the man who appears to have been "too free" with Miles. This most likely means that Quint corrupted Miles by telling him about sex. In chapter 7, Flora saw a woman (Jessel) dressed in black at the lake but said nothing of it. In chapter 10, during one nite, Flora is suspiciously out of her bed--with the curtains drawn forward. When the governess calls for her, Flora comes out with a solemn expression.
Obviously, these mysteriously pleasant kids are hiding something from the governess.
After this post you can close this topic because after you hear what I have to say, it will be case closed!
No one is crazy and everyone is right! Yes you heard me, the ghosts are real and the kids and the governess can see them. However, Mrs. Grose can't. Why? Because Mrs. Grose is "corrupt". I already talked about my theory/absolute proof 6th hr. today so sorry to any of my classmates for the repeat, but this is a sure thing. Mrs. Grose commented about the governess being scared of getting corrupted. The kids aren't corrupted(yet) so like the governess they can see the ghosts. I believe the ghosts are trying to corrupt the children, but I'm not 100%. So, in summation, anyone who is innocent/uncorrupted can see the ghosts, but if you're corrupted(Mrs. Grose), you can't. See, it all works. The kids can see them and like all kids their curious so they don't want to lose their relationships with Ms. Jessel and Quaint, the Governess can see them but they don't want anything to do with her. Mrs. Grose thinks the governess is crazy b/c Mrs. Grose can't see the ghosts.
Case closed! Forum over! I'm outty!
well eric, isn't miles "corrupted" now? i mean, he "said things" that were bad at school, spent lots of times with Quint while he was alive, and it seems as though he can't see the ghosts (by my interpretation of the ending)...so perhaps it's just flora and the governess who can see them? all the same, i completely agree with your deduction. just thought i'd point that out too.
Well Ms. Chelsea, dear...
those "bad things" could just be that he admitted he was a homosexual and some people say that is corrupted, but maybe James believe homosxually isn't a form of corruption (hidden message about homosexuality?). Anyways maybe he just admitted to his friends that he was gay but didn't say anything obscene and the kids told their teacher and they kicked him out for being gay, not saying sexual things.
He did spend a lot of time with Quint but maybe Quint was just counseling him on what he should do about his homosexuality until he died when he became "evil". Maybe Quint wanted to tell people that Miles was gay so Miles killed Quint and Quint wanted justice so he stalked Miles until he finally got revenge?
I can't really argue with your interpretation of the ending because I believe Miles could see Quint all along, so I guess it's all about personal opinion on that one.
Anyways, I said CASE CLOSED! So it's CASE CLOSED ALRIGHT! Unless someone wants to reopen it, that's cool...
Eric, you have officially creeped me out for the day by calling me dear. I just thought I would congratulate you on that feat.
Also, I can see you enjoy open ended books. You seem to have lots of ideas about what really happened. That's awesome.
I have nothing else to say about this book, but I felt this needed to be said as well.
I do not think the governess is crazy, although she may seem to be at times(Like when she rolls around in the mud for a couple of hours. I think that the kids are definately corrupt but only because of the ghosts that possess them. The kids are really just innocent (or as innocent as kids get anyways) kids possesed by awful corrupt ghosts. I was thinking a lot about this tosay and I think I have decided why the ghosts came back to corrupt the children. I think Mr. Decker was right that Mrs. Jessel died in child birth, but I think that Quint was murdered. I decided that after the uncle, who was dearly in love with Mrs Jessel(that being why he hired her), found out that Quint was the father and murdered him. The ghosts came back to taunt the kids to get back at the uncle and to make the next governess ads miserable as they themselves became. Anyways I still couldnt beleive how the ending turned out!! That bummed me out, I liked that person!!
-Jessica Steiger
I find it to be more complex than if the governess is crazy or the kids are corrupt. The majority of the blame can be put on the governess. Why? Well, she is a young lady thrust into motherhood with two not so young kids. I think that the stress got to her. Under the pressure, her imagination goes haywire and she starts assuming a lot. Her point of view, which is all the readers are allowed to see, keeps readers inside of what she believes to be true. It kind of hinders readers from being objective about situations.
The kids are certainly not innocent. Miles strikes me as quite the little punk. He is at the age where testing boundaries and struggling for power is cool. I believe that the kids didn't see any ghosts. Miles saw opportunities to have some fun with the only people he was in contact with. As the sole male in the house, he flexes his power and employs the help of Flora in some of his escapades.
By all means, the governess is crazy, but the kids have a dose of corruption too.
-Adam Kephart
I think that the kids were actually possessed. They don't act like kids much of the time; "It was I who blew it, dear!" which is not the way 10-year-olds act. Also, notice what happens when the governess confronts Flora. "Her incomperable childish beauty... had quite vanished." She begins to wail (wailing at certain names was considered a symptom of posession) and she falls ill. Then, after the governess confronts Miles, she writes that "his little heart, *dispossessed*, had stopped."
-Elizabeth
Mike "the Mike" Latana already said in class that kids from that period especially kids from high class society could easily talk like that in normal, everyday life and it's only weird to us because we talk differently. The way they speak has nothing to do with possession. So to quote Mike, "Shot Down!"
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