VP Test and Extra-Cred
We have three essential outcomes thus far on our "Pass the VP Test"
1. Know the Bush Doctrine
2. Name a Supreme Court Case in addition to Roe v. Wade
3. Name a source for news you read
Tune in tonight for additional topics. And, for extra-credit: Identify a rhetorical technique used during the VP debate. If you can't watch it (like me), feel free to find them from the transcript. Stay away from "He was explicit when he said" and focus more on "She used anaphora when. . ." or "He used appeal to tradition when. . ." Up to two examples per student.
posted by erdecker @ 10:29 AM
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http://www.debates.org/pages/debtrans.html
I'm heading to bed cuz I'm sick, but I'm looking here in the morning! Good luck everyone! This site should have the transcripts later tonight!
Danielle Humphrey
Biden: "How is the plan for ______different from Bush's plan?" (x6)
-anaphora/parallell syntax
Biden: "What matters are the facts."
-logos
Bravo Biden.
Well I was able to watch a small portion of the debate just now, but since I have other work to do,so I'll do the extra credit part for now and the rest later.
The technique that I've seen Palin using is a lot of Pathos in how she talked about education and the children with disabilities, by saying how close they are to her heart. In fact, I've noticed that the main or rather general technique that speakers are using during this debate tonight is pathos, because they seem to be focusing on getting sympathy from the audience by mostly taking about children and their education. So the speakers are apparently focusing on getting votes from parents and education providers.
I just listened to the debate as I filled out college apps, but I noticed a few rhetorical strategies in what Biden said. Actually, one is in the quote that Danielle used.
"I have not heard how his [McCain's] policy in (fill in name of middle east country) is going to be different from George Bush's."
Biden compares the policies of Bush and McCain part by part.
Biden used use of personal experience when he described his trip to Chad and related it to what he and Obama plan to do about the situation in Darfur.
Suzy Kent
Biden was speaking on what he would do if he had to take over as president.
Biden said that he would follow Obama's middle class policy.
It was something like:
'I would follow Obama's Middle Class Policy by MAKING SURE that ........
MAKING SURE .........
MAKING SURE .........
MAKING SURE .........'
He used/said MAKING SURE multiple times when referring to Obama's middle class policy and what would come about from it.
I would label the rhetorical strategy used as anaphora.
Palin went about talking about McCain's personal experience when the topic of 'WAR' came up in the debate.
She said something like this:
'McCain knows how to win a war. He was in a war that was won. He fought in the war. On and on she what for a little bit about him being a veteran and that he's been 'there'.'
She used ethical appeal(ethos) to help appeal to 'the people' even though it was on McCain's behalf.
I will look at the website that elizabeth shea posted either later tonight or sometime tomorrow to see if I can find the exact quotes.
However, I work tomorrow from 4 to at least 9:30pm after school so it might even be tomorrow night when I can get on my home computer again. I'll see if I can get on before I go to work after I get ready to go to work.
Ha ha! I caught both the VP candidates with rhetorical strategies! I also caught Palin using anaphora too, but it was pretty similar to the one of Biden that I mentioned earlier.
By the way, Danielle the ones that you found are pretty good and fairly simple to recognize.
Palin uses major pathos throughout her entire debate, one of the main places she uses pathos was at the beginning of the debate she talks about the economy and how if you were to talk to soccer moms and dads out there you would hear fear in thier voices because the economy is scary right now. She also talks a lot to the populum.
Biden was deeply into using enumeration. First, this point, Second, this other point, Thirdly, what i think about this. He did this many many times throughout the debate.
BTW: Love how they take notes for the rebuttles! and how they avoided certain questions such as: What are some things in your campaign that you will no longer be able to follow through with? Biden avoided this question as much as he could. It was interesting to see that.
Ok now to finish what I was saying before, another technique that Palin and Biden also, used is Ad Populum when they were talking about using better sources of energy. Like wind, or a cleaner burning coal, so that we aren't depending on other countries. So they are appealing to the people who are the "greenies" and to also the people who just don't want to pay so much for gas and electricity, etc. In that way they are also using Logos because they showing logic to getting better energy sources.
Oh and I found something interesting on the Washington Post site, its an article about Palin and the Bush Doctrine, how she was struggling to define it during a interview. Plus theres questioning about a Palin Doctrine. But its interesting and there are responses/ opinions from other people about it, under the article.
the website is
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/needtoknow/2008/10/the_palin_doctrine.html
1) Biden, when responding to a question about taxes, said, "...where I come from, it's called fairness, just simple fairness." Although he goes on to give some facts and figures about middle class taxes, I think Biden's main appeal here is to ethics, because "fairness" is directly related to ethics.
2) When speaking about climate change, Biden stated, "We know what the cause is. The cause is manmade. That's the cause. That's why the polar icecap is melting." So here we have cause and effect reasoning, because Biden clearly names a cause (human activities) and then gives an effect of that cause (climate change/melting of the polar icecap).
Biden stated: "We don't call that redistribution; we call that fairness."
Biden defines the argument in order to make it about fairness, not taxes. It's hard to argue against fairness, isn't it?
Biden blatantly presents his device when saying: "Now let me just ask a rhetorical question. If John really wanted...then why is he...?" He leads the audience to a conclusion of his choice.
After looking at the transcripts on the site Lizi gave I noticed that Biden does a lot of enumeration.The first time is when he is talking about Barack Obama's four basic criteria for any kind of rescue plan.
"He, first of all,...
He secondly said ...
Thirdly, he said..."
Governor Palin uses a variety of rhetorical techniques thought the debate. For instance, at the very first question, she begins by using an Illustration.
"I think a good barometer here, as we try to figure out has this been a good time or a bad time in America's economy, is go to a kid's soccer game on Saturday, and turn to any parent there on the sideline and ask them, "How are you feeling about the economy?"
Later, she also begins to uses a bit of a red herring, by continually trying to draw back to certain topics in order to avoid addressing sensitive areas.
BIDEN:
"As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry deregulate it and let the free market move like he did for the banking industry."
IFILL:
Governor, please if you want to respond to what he said about Senator McCain's comments about health care?
PALIN: I would like to respond about the tax increases.
BIDEN:
"if you notice, Gwen, the governor did not answer the question about deregulation, did not answer the question of defending John McCain about not going along with the deregulation, letting Wall Street run wild."
(this is is only a small portion of this conversations, but done in order to produce the general feeling of the conversation without posting 3 paragraphs of text.)
Allusion.
Shakespeare (Antonio): "Whereof what's past is prologue"(Tempest, Act Two, Scene 1, line 254).
Biden: "Look, past is prologue, Gwen." (Oct 2 VP Debate).
I found that during the debate, Palin would turn to her past for many arguements to get her point across. This to me was use of personal experience or personal testimony... here are a few examples.
- Palin,"My experience as an executive will be put to good use as a mayor and business owner and oil and gas regulator ..."
and again...
Palin,"Being a mom, one very concerned about a son in the war, about a special needs child, about kids heading off to college, how are we going to pay those tuition bills?"
PALIN: Thank you, Gwen. And I thank the commission, also. I appreciate this privilege of being able to be here and speak with Americans
-adpopulum however it's spelled. APPEAL TO THE PEEPS.
Senator Biden, how, as vice president, would you work to shrink this gap of polarization which has sprung up in Washington, which you both have spoken about here tonight?
BIDEN: Well, that's what I've done my whole career, Gwen, on very, very controversial issues, from dealing with violence against women, to putting 100,000 police officers on the street, to trying to get something done about the genocide in -- that was going on in Bosnia.
i think this part is irrelvant to the question so RED HERRING
THANKS LIZ FOR THE TRANSCRIPTS. no net yesterday for me. and worked all night -__-"
Biden's closing statement contained a double whammy!
"Well, it's time for America to get up together. America's ready, you're ready, I'm ready, and Barack Obama is ready to be the next president of the United States of America."
The repetition of the word "ready" at the end of each clause is a rhetoric technique known as epistrophe. Also, since the parallel syntax of those clauses occurs in a group of three, Biden utilized tricolon.
When Palin said, "I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people." She was employing the rhetorical technique of BS
LOL to anonymous.
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